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An Opinion Difference Does Not Make One An America Hater

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My rebuttal to the article, "The Case For America Divorcing It's Haters," by Bruce Walker. I presented a challenge to people who think exactly like Mr. Walker - those who dare to loudly question the President and the war as being unpatriotic and traitors should renounce their citizenship and leave the country.

In a later article, he allude to my article and hinted I should also leave with the blessing of the government. Mr. Walker's rebuttal The Case For Divorcing American Hater, Part Two. Americans who disagree have just as much right to be in the United States as anyone else - and don't you ever forget it!! My response to bullies like him when he states, "She should leave, unmolested and with no financial loss. She should leave, even if the federal government has to purchase a first class ticket on a luxury liner and three months in a luxury hotel. She should leave, even if we have to pay her twenty-five thousand dollars to leave for good." All I can say is you totally missed my point and if I am such a threat, you are just a bunch of hot air and have no case because you have not been able to orchestrate such a campaign as there are no legal grounds nor proof of your lame allegations!

"Why do men like Michael Moore live in America? Why, indeed, do so many people who profess hatred of America live in America?"

Your premise for argument, Mr. Walker, is based on faulty logic. You presume, without stating facts, that Michael Moore and others hate America. Where are the facts that they hate this country? Then you continue that as they hate America they are also not compelled to live here. Your argument pretty much falls apart at the beginning.

Am I to understand, Mr. Walker, people who disagree with the current administration and use their First Amendment right to speak out, assemble, or write about it is an Anti-American, in your opinion, but this First Amendment right is only extended to those who blindly follow and praise what Bush and his cronies do.

If we left it your way, all who disagree with what is going on in our country should turn a blind eye and let what we feel is a bad situation get worse - like those poor Germans who were led astray by Hitler by either blindly following the crowds or not saying anything and allowing it to happen. If we do not remember our lessons of history, we are doomed to repeat it.

By you disregarding the basic rights of other Americans who do have the right to disagree makes you Anti-American by the same logic - you are Anti-American by discounting the most sacred document of this country, our Constitution.

Just because one disagrees with the direction our country is going in and points out our shortcomings doesn't mean they hate this country.

Just because one does not wear the flag on his sleeve and throw this sickening forced patriotism in everyone's face as a mark of proof as being an American does not mean they hate this country.

Just because one is objective enough to not make the claim that, "The US is the best and greatest country in the world," does not mean they hate this country, but are enlightened enough to know that all other countries have their good points and bad points as well. Yes, we understand that many people wish to live in our country because they come from places where they lack the basics of living standards in their country. We realize the US is one of the great countries of opportunities for people to find their dream and live it. However, the current mindset Mr. Walker and his ilk display, is a danger to all of what makes this country great.

If Mr. Walker had really read the most important documents of our country, The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution itself, he would know that those who disagree with the government have the right to be here and that the document was set up on a premise that the people have the right to even change the government.


"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. "Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Source - Declaration of Independence


Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Source - Bill of Rights.

Amendment I gives us the freedom to speak up, assemble to protest, and write about our greivences. The other Amedments listed are the ones this current Presidential administration has discounted at the expense of AMERICAN CITIZENS. Is it really any wonder why people are angry here? Perhaps your rights have not been run over yet or you do not know or care about other Americans whose rights were disregarded, but others do care and will continue to speak out. It is our American right because we love this country and those who live in it.

I love this country, but if this trend were to keep up and the sleeping "ditto heads" will continue to blindly follow and praise Bush and his agenda it will make this a more dangerous place to live. When even people who are middle of the road politically speaking are labelled, "loony Leftists," for merely disagreeing with the war or Bush policies, this has already taking away the power of many and many more will continue to have their rights abolished when we keep looking the other way.

Do you not see why other people hate Americans - for sheer ignorance of what our country has done to them. It may have been good intentions to do something good, but somewhere corruption, immorality and greed got in the way of a good thing and we took a massive dump on other countries and left it there for them to clean up that mess. It is NOT Anti-American to point that out, but merely trying to understand the problem for the sake of finding a solution.

Then we have the common folk who don't care enough about other countries to find out exactly what we have done to them. We generally don't know or don't even care to know about the politics of other countries, who run them, or even where they are located - until they talk trash against us and then we want to insult them without finding out why they are angry. That is the ignorance and arrogance people hate around the world. It is not saying they hate Americans as people either, but they do have disdain for the ignorance. This is what Michael Moore was referring to when he was speaking about "stupid Americans."

Why should the common people be any different than our leader? He came into office not knowing the leaders of Canada and Mexico!!! For crying out loud! These are our closest neighbors and allies! The least our President should do before thinking about running for office is to learn more about the ones who really should be watching our backs!

The ones that hate us, truly hate us, may have more complex reason than you think. It doesn't mean that because we try to understand why they hate us that makes us Anti-Americans. If we try to use empathy and sympathy to be more understanding of people who hate us, it only means we are trying to come to a rational understanding to find a more peaceful path to resolve the issue instead of bombing them - how does that make one Anti-American because we prefer peace to war? Are we Anti-American because we don't want to go fight in a war or send our loved family members off to an immoral war when other ways to solve the issue have not been investigated?

War is a nasty thing, people get killed including women and children civilians. Don't you think when we claim to be "The greatest country in the world," we should take the moral high road and do whatever is possible to avoid a war that is unnecessary? We invaded a sovergn nation against UN orders under false pretense and killed many innocent people for the sake of taking out a dictator our President hated and committed war crimes in the process of fighting the war and "securing" [hahahaha] Iraq. Michael Moore got it right. This was an immoral war. We were told lies to get behind it. Even those of us who begged the Bush administration to wait, work with the UN and find another way were brushed aside like loonies.

As to the people you claim hate America, what are the realities of their choice to live anywhere else. Perhaps they don't feel it is your right or the right of small minded people who label those who disagree as "anti-American". Perhaps because they were born in the country that entitles them the right to live here and be given the rights of an American. Perhaps they love this country more than you know and are speaking up to save it and don't wish to be bullied around by people who don't want to face the truth that our country is heading in a bad direction. The famous who speak out may have the luxury of money and resources to move, if they wanted, but they don't because they love our country. The rest of us who are not famous and disagree do not have the option to just pick up and go, besides, we love our country as well. We merely disagree with the direction it is going.

Mr. Walker questions, "Why do they not renounce their citizenship, become citizens of France or Germany or Spain or Sweden, and live in nations that they believe are better than America? What do they insist on staying here, causing fights, cursing their countrymen, and creating misery and despair?"

These are great countries, all of them. The UK, Spain, Norway and a lot of other Western European countries are all great in their own ways. The French get too little respect, but I understand why they set up their government and policies the way they do. I understand them all. They all have the same freedoms we have in our country. There is a big difference, they are NOT OUR country. Why do YOU insist on staying here, causing fights, cursing your countrymen and creating misery and despair because people disagree with the government's agenda?

The question could be posed right back at you, Mr. Walker, - if you hate the idea that people who have a difference of opinion have the right to speak up, assemble, or write about it, why don't you leave this country? You are not compelled to live here either.

Mr. Walker also resorts to low blow comparisions such as, "Leftists are to America what abusive wives, husbands and parents are to marriages: they are miserable, and they abuse those who live with them for all their miseries. They beat us. They insult us. They spew venom at us. They even help burglars, rapists and murderers who would try to break into our home and harm us."

And anyone who doesn't agree with the Right, we could say the same thing about those with a Right wing agenda who would speak as loudly as possible, berating those who disagree as unAmerican, instead of respecting that we have a difference of opinion. Look at all the venom they have spewed at Michael Moore for his difference of opinion. And then Mr. Walker has the nerve to say the Left is responisble for the criminal elements whose backgrounds are equally distributed among all walks of life. The policies in place to help such criminals were backed by both Right and Left and Middle of the Road politicians.

Mr. Walker's diatribe on how to further oppress people with a difference of opinion continues, "How? File civil actions against those Americans who patently believe that they live in a totalitarian state that never does anything right, etc. Require that the party sued by the government either agree that living in America is a blessing for which she is very grateful or pay her for her citizenship and send her to another nation, one which by treaty would accept ex-Americans."

We're here, we're as American as you, and we are here to stay - get used to it!

If you really want to make the world a safer place you really must understand why people around the world get that desperate in the first place. Most of the Western world seems oblivious of the suffering going on in third world countries. We go about our privileged lives and tend to ignore or justify ignoring the problems of the real poor people of the world.

Being poor in a Western world is far different from being poor in a country without a safety net. While it is really hard being poor in a privileged country and life is not easy, there are some social safety nets to help individuals and families barely get by. Desperate countries don't even have this around for the majority of the population in need.

People need to have the basic needs met to survive. These needs include decent housing, access to clean water and sanitation, medical care, food, and opportunities to learn and conduct some sort of living. When any of these elements are missing, people get desperate and will do what it takes to survive.

Don't rely on the watered down memories of elementary and high school history classes, but explore on your own what happened around this country and the rest of the world and learn the lessons of the past so we do not have to repeat the same mistakes.

Learn more about the world. Study geography and politics. Try to understand why other nations have their policies in place. Understand why people in other lands may have an axe to grind before passing judgement on them and insisting the answer is to merely slaughtering the problem.

Show your support by donating or volunteering for organizations designed to help meet the basic needs of those in desperate situations.